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Righto brains trust @Drover @mikerezny @chartrock @DRW ive allready spoken with crustycon our next Premier of Vic
Now im 51 the van is 6 my nuts are rusty ahhhhh wheel nuts now i know some may struggle to see there nuts with roof over tool shed or glasses needed or never realy takeing notice of the condition of there nuts but ......
Now some nuts have a bulge some dont .... some need a hernina opp as mine do but my new nuts have no bulge my old ones do ......
So i fitted my new nuts which are ford nuts half inch thread ......
But i can see the seat in the alloy rim with new nuts but carnt with old nuts
The tayper is the same universal tayper on the nuts im told i didnt want to jayco nuts to rust out again but new ones may not be good enough without the bulge on the top of the tayper ??????????
Nothing worse than rusty nuts have others suffered from this ???? Have others changed there nuts ???? I was trying to get better nuts but may have to put inferior nuts back on
Can anyone help me with my nut problem.........see att pics of nuts View attachment 65854
Rusty nuts are still better than no nuts or blue nuts.

More flange is also better than less flange. The question I cannot answer is if less flange is enough.

Seriously. If it was me, I would go to an electroplater and see if it is possible to have the old nuts rechromed. If done properly they should last a lot longer and will fit properly. Check if it will cost less if you do the preparation and ask them how to prepare them. I am not sure how to efficiently replace old chrome. But electroplaters probably do a lot of rechroming for people restoring old cars.

I have just asked a mate of mine in Melbourne who has restored a Jensen Interceptor and is a member of an auto club if he can recommend and electroplater.

take care
Mike
 

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Rusty nuts are still better than no nuts or blue nuts.

More flange is also better than less flange. The question I cannot answer is if less flange is enough.

Seriously. If it was me, I would go to an electroplater and see if it is possible to have the old nuts rechromed. If done properly they should last a lot longer and will fit properly. Check if it will cost less if you do the preparation and ask them how to prepare them. I am not sure how to efficiently replace old chrome. But electroplaters probably do a lot of rechroming for people restoring old cars.

I have just asked a mate of mine in Melbourne who has restored a Jensen Interceptor and is a member of an auto club if he can recommend and electroplater.

take care
Mike
If the flange (bevel) covers all the way out over the counter sink they should be OK.
Could ask a metal workshop for an opinion.
Don't forget to retorque the nuts after 100 Km. (torque wrench)
 
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Hey @Bluey you need to know if the taper on the new nuts fit the taper in the wheels you need to coat the taper on the nut with that blue stuff engineers use I can’t think of the name it’s a type of dye and then make sure it fits properly. Hard to explain call crustycon he’ll know he knows everything or talk to a fitter at work
 
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Hey @Bluey you need to know if the taper on the new nuts fit the taper in the wheels you need to coat the taper on the nut with that blue stuff engineers use I can’t think of the name it’s a type of dye and then make sure it fits properly. Hard to explain call crustycon he’ll know he knows everything or talk to a fitter at work
There was one thing I didn't know I knew, everything, but you've cleared that up ;)
 
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Hi @Bluey, the only nuts I have changed were on my tug, posted here. I didn’t buy original nuts but went to a tyre seller (Jax) and he had a set of 24 for around $75 as opposed to around $500 from Mazda. I think so long as the tapers match and the wheel flare is covered, you should be ok.
 
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I thank you all for your thoughts and reaplys on my nuts i know you all have been worrying about them i spoke to nut man @Drovers mate and i should send them back and get new nuts with the bulge on the end ..... the taypers on the nuts and rims are universal so they should all be the same its probly my fault for not telling nut man @Drovers mate at Speco that my nuts had the bulge that fills the seat in the rim so im back where i started with rusty nuts
And remember Nibble Knobies nuts before Knobie nibbles yours
 

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Its always advisable to take care of your nuts, dont use grease on them either...you can stain them, give 'em a buff and drop them in something which will stain, just cant remember the brew, do need a mate to help.... :biggrin-new: :biggrin-new: :biggrin-new:
 
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If the flange (bevel) covers all the way out over the counter sink they should be OK.
Could ask a metal workshop for an opinion.
Don't forget to retorque the nuts after 100 Km. (torque wrench)

@Johnanbev I have a good torque wrench. What sort of torque are we talking about. A friend mentioned 120 ft/lb, but that seems very high for a van with alloy wheels. I think that on my Valiant, they advise only 55ft/lbs. Just had wheels off and will be travelling on Sunday so any good advice would be helpful.
 

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On Big Mal, 16" alloys the recommended is 120nm or 88.5 ftlbs, think Ford hubs, Cruiser stud pattern....... haven't broke a stud yet..... and the U bolts have 88nm about 65ftlbs....... I have written it on my torque wrench so I don't forget.... my Volvo truck with alloys only had 110ftlbs I think it was.
 

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On Big Mal, 16" alloys the recommended is 120nm or 88.5 ftlbs, think Ford hubs, Cruiser stud pattern....... haven't broke a stud yet..... and the U bolts have 88nm about 65ftlbs....... I have written it on my torque wrench so I don't forget.... my Volvo truck with alloys only had 110ftlbs I think it was.

Thanks @Drover , I will go with 75ft/lb to start with and check again after 100 kms at first stop, and follow up again after a further 200kms. Sound reasonable? Not sure what sort of hubs on Penguin, but they are definitely 6 stud.
 

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@Johnanbev I have a good torque wrench. What sort of torque are we talking about. A friend mentioned 120 ft/lb, but that seems very high for a van with alloy wheels. I think that on my Valiant, they advise only 55ft/lbs. Just had wheels off and will be travelling on Sunday so any good advice would be helpful.
For the Colorado 140 Nm, and for my van 150 Nm. (21.65-4 OB)
 

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While I have the makers torque data for my gear I looked around at the general info on the settings and its a " Oils aint OIl's Sol" sort of scenario, the values change around a bit for the same stud size and pattern and of course lots of people confuse Nm and ftlbs along with steel versus alloy rims.......................

So my research pointed to one main thing, read your manual, if doesn't state anything then you should check out the stud pattern, stud size and wheel size then visit your manufacturers web site for the torque setting, if no luck there, rim manufacturers often have listings but make sure you read it all, confusing Nm for ftlbs and steel for alloy can cause you problems, while they always advise to check your wheel nuts again after 100kms, they fail to mention with hot rims not to swing off the lugs like a gorilla, just a gentle bit of pressure to ensure no movement if using a bar , a big hard push or a foot on with long bar isn't good at all.


Of course my usual warning " Always check the wheel nuts before you hook up after a service whether the wheels were done or not "
 
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While I have the makers torque data for my gear I looked around at the general info on the settings and its a " Oils aint OIl's Sol" sort of scenario, the values change around a bit for the same stud size and pattern and of course lots of people confuse Nm and ftlbs along with steel versus alloy rims.......................

So my research pointed to one main thing, read your manual, if doesn't state anything then you should check out the stud pattern, stud size and wheel size then visit your manufacturers web site for the torque setting, if no luck there, rim manufacturers often have listings but make sure you read it all, confusing Nm for ftlbs and steel for alloy can cause you problems, while they always advise to check your wheel nuts again after 100kms, they fail to mention with hot rims not to swing off the lugs like a gorilla, just a gentle bit of pressure to ensure no movement if using a bar , a big hard push or a foot on with long bar isn't good at all.


Of course my usual warning " Always check the wheel nuts before you hook up after a service whether the wheels were done or not "

Very good advice as usual @Drover. One should always read the instructions in the Handbook for your own van. As a result of this thread, I actually did - almost cover to cover- that blue/white Jayco booklet which was in my van all the time. On page 8 (setting up) and page 43 (how to tighten your nuts), rusty or not @Bluey, the book quotes the following:

Steel rims with 1/2 inch studs should be torqued to 115 nm (80 ft/lb) and alloy rims with 1/2 inch wheel threads should be torqued to 122 nm (90 ft/lbs), both types retorqued again every 100kms for first 400kms and rechecked every 1000 kms thereafter or every 6 months.

However, that is from the booklet "revised March 2013" and may have been changed/upgraded again or may be different for other than Jayco vans. One learns something new every day!!!
 

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What are peoples thoughts on weather we all can travel around at christmas i think i read that WA wont be opening borders any time time soon will we all be able to travel or will it just bring on a 3rd wave so we all should just stay home
Got 5 days off cup weekend but dont think anyone can go anywhere then if we can the Murray will be jam packed work is so busy mite just keep working if we can ?????
 

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Sold the 2015 Jayco 16.52 Journey Outback poptop in 2 days.$4000.00 dollars more than I paid for it 3 years ago! Last 3 days looking for 2016 J 17.55 Journey Outback poptop.Three rang up about had been sold within 24 hours well more than new purchase price .Finally had to grab one owner one with all the fruit in Brisbane this morn as still border closure to NSW Bought on trust and photos.! while I was making up my mind which was all of 5 minutes he had another couple racing over to look at it.Its like lemmings going over a cliff.!,At Jayco Coffs Hbr yesterday salesman said factory will be working nearly 24/7 ,order a van now may get it in May/June next year.!
 

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Well I was lucky enough to secure a better site until Boxing Day, no more leaves and dat poo hopefully having concrete is a bonus still at Bargara Beach caravan park for now
 

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