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and at West Head the balls weren't iron............:o:o........ Middle of July, wind first stop since leaving Antartica would find us patrolling the fence line in the best cold weather gear the Navy had, WW2 Navy version of an Army great coat called a watch coat, basically a dark blue blanket with sleeves, no lining, we froze and our hut had a small 2 bar heater that was only good for cooking toast on....................... Must admit I do like the snow country, can be quite nice even to running around in shorts at times.............though the area where I live is nice pretty well in shorts for 360 days of the year.

@Drover , the "balls"may not have been made of iron, but the "men" were!!
 

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Having served at West Head back in 1975 as a Gun maintainer ( I still visit there time to time for work) I know that cold; we use to hide from the Chief for most of the day trying to stay out of the wind wherever we could. Great views in Summer though!
 
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I thought I read somewhere that you were in trakkie daks a couple of days ago!!

Hence the 360 days...........

@Drover , the "balls"may not have been made of iron, but the "men" were!!

Aarrgghh and Every Finger a Marlin Spike but now a tad rusty..........

Having served at West Head back in 1975 as a Gun maintainer ( I still visit there time to time for work) I know that cold; we use to hide from the Chief for most of the day trying to stay out of the wind wherever we could. Great views in Summer though!

Did my course there with the occassional dreaded night/weekend duty watch, sneaky night patrol to the pub...... Seagulls would sometimes try to catch the 50 cal rounds...... A brilliant place to be really, loved it even though it was miserable sitting in the damn director in the rain, stupid poms designing something without a roof...
 

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@Boots in Action i dont disagree with you but my take on it was connon balls on tall ships when sailed into freezing temps like down from tassie Arctic water the cannon balls would freeze then be useless as they would shrink unabled to be fired so a mighty ship filled with cannon none of them able to fire ?????? The brass monkey was the cannon ???? I think you win Boots
ADJUCATOR PLEASE @Drover your thoughts @chartrock your thoughts
Here are a couple of stories on the the subject, (from an adjudicator’s point of view.). :blah:

From Naval History & Heritage Command:

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It has often been claimed that the "brass monkey" was a holder or storage rack in which cannon balls (or shot) were stacked on a ship. Supposedly when the "monkey" with its stack of cannon ball became cold, the contraction of iron cannon balls led to the balls falling through or off of the "monkey." This explanation appears to be a legend of the sea without historical justification. In actuality, ready service shot was kept on the gun or spar decks in shot racks (also known as shot garlands in the Royal Navy) which consisted of longitudinal wooden planks with holes bored into them, into which round shot (cannon balls) were inserted for ready use by the guncrew. These shot racks or garlands are discussed in: Longridge, C. Nepean. The Anatomy of Nelson's Ships. (Annapolis MD: Naval Institute Press, 1981): 64. A top view of shot garlands on the upper deck of a ship-of-the-line is depicted in The Visual Dictionary of Ships and Sailing. New York: Dorling Kindersley, 1991): 17.

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The pyramid display of cannon balls was just that, a display, often found in front of the gates of naval and military bases. They were for show only, no one but a blithering idiot would stack cannon balls on a ship. The first time the ship pitched or rolled, the watch on duty would be ankle deep in rolling 18 pound or heavier cast iron spheres. Only 18 pound and heavier cannon balls were kept in racks. Nine pounders and lighter were kept in shot garlands (think hammocks) that were tied to the ships' rails.

So this really leaves it open to interpret the expression. This makes me a fence sitter. :bolt:
 

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I think you all need to harden up if its very hot its hard to cool down but if your cold its easy to get warm i feel a bit sorry for @mfexpanda he lives in a very cold area he mite as well live in Ballarat heaps cold there i live close to the bay not as cold

Thanks Bluey I take donations for firewood and blankets .
If you felt that sorry you would have let crusty and I loose camping ⛺️ in your front yard .
 
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Here are a couple of stories on the the subject, (from an adjudicator’s point of view.). :blah:

From Naval History & Heritage Command:

1)
It has often been claimed that the "brass monkey" was a holder or storage rack in which cannon balls (or shot) were stacked on a ship. Supposedly when the "monkey" with its stack of cannon ball became cold, the contraction of iron cannon balls led to the balls falling through or off of the "monkey." This explanation appears to be a legend of the sea without historical justification. In actuality, ready service shot was kept on the gun or spar decks in shot racks (also known as shot garlands in the Royal Navy) which consisted of longitudinal wooden planks with holes bored into them, into which round shot (cannon balls) were inserted for ready use by the guncrew. These shot racks or garlands are discussed in: Longridge, C. Nepean. The Anatomy of Nelson's Ships. (Annapolis MD: Naval Institute Press, 1981): 64. A top view of shot garlands on the upper deck of a ship-of-the-line is depicted in The Visual Dictionary of Ships and Sailing. New York: Dorling Kindersley, 1991): 17.

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The pyramid display of cannon balls was just that, a display, often found in front of the gates of naval and military bases. They were for show only, no one but a blithering idiot would stack cannon balls on a ship. The first time the ship pitched or rolled, the watch on duty would be ankle deep in rolling 18 pound or heavier cast iron spheres. Only 18 pound and heavier cannon balls were kept in racks. Nine pounders and lighter were kept in shot garlands (think hammocks) that were tied to the ships' rails.

So this really leaves it open to interpret the expression. This makes me a fence sitter. :bolt:


Well, well. You learn something new every day!! Another myth now debunked. Nothing like old naval yarns is there @Drover ?? As no doubt you would know!! Like tales of the sea!!
 
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@Boots in Action i dont disagree with you but my take on it was connon balls on tall ships when sailed into freezing temps like down from tassie Arctic water the cannon balls would freeze then be useless as they would shrink unabled to be fired so a mighty ship filled with cannon none of them able to fire ?????? The brass monkey was the cannon ???? I think you win Boots
ADJUCATOR PLEASE @Drover your thoughts @chartrock your thoughts

Again @Bluey, I am not a naval man like @Drover and he may be able to add to this. There was a small brass cannon that was mounted on the foredeck (forecastle) that was on a pivot, so it could be moved around to any direction so as to fire "grape" shot to deter boarders from climbing onto the ship. Perhaps that was what you may have been referring to??
 
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Well Mike does get the kuddos this time, yes they say its a myth but really the saying is descriptive, telling how cold it is, whether or not it could happen is open to conjecture, similar to Freeze the tits off a Bull certainly describes the weather......I wonder :cool-19: surely Mythbusters would have done something, that may be why I knew...................... The only monkeys I have seen for cannon balls were made of rope and they never left them out in the open anyway, rust like crazy, below decks on a sailing ship in fact even a steel one can be flamin cold either way..............Just remembered I saw the ropes on a base by the ceremonial cannons, a few of us were volunteered to chip and paint the mongrel things along with anything else that didn't move.

If the balls shrunk I don't think it would be by much in a smooth bore cannon, wasn't a tight fit anyway and the wads in front and rear of the ball would take up any slack, the wads were needed to pack the powder at the rear and help contain the intial pressure and the front would hold the ball in position otherwise it could fall out....................same as a muzzle loader nowadays.....
Chaser guns were small cannons mounted on the bow or stern of ships, repel borders or used to try and take out rigging and crew with grape shot, a suitably horrible load designed to take out rigging with balls and chain......................... I like Gunnery have a few books on the subject.
 
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Just had a nice thought, travel and camping starts off, imagine the space you will have around oyu in those parks that cram you in with a shoe horn, they certainly won't be able to do that for awhile, if I end up in a van park it will be a rural one not one of these coastal camps, too crowded and I certainly won't be using the ammenities blocks, thank goodness for self contained................ Lightning Ridge at the Opal would be an exception, seriously clean before all this started with heaps of room.
 
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Just had a nice thought, travel and camping starts off, imagine the space you will have around oyu in those parks that cram you in with a shoe horn, they certainly won't be able to do that for awhile, if I end up in a van park it will be a rural one not one of these coastal camps, too crowded and I certainly won't be using the ammenities blocks, thank goodness for self contained................ Lightning Ridge at the Opal would be an exception, seriously clean before all this started with heaps of room.
Our Fuhrer as decreed no shared amenities in the early stages of c/park re-opening which is fair enough, so I suspect the c/parks may only be open to the self-contained
 

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I thought you had a Commo leader? Has he gone National Socialist now.......a softening of the Comrade then.
 
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Ok @Drover @Boots in Action @DRW @mikerezny the storie wrecker of histroy carnt we have our stories ??? Answer this one no googeling
Where dose the saying Its a bit Hows your Farther come from i have no idea where it comes from i said Fair to mudley today and got blank looks from the new age crew

Sorry @Bluey , No idea on the first question, but I can remember the second one as an answer to "How you going?" It used to be "Fair to middling, but mainly muddling"! As to origin or when in vogue, I first remember hearing it in the mid 60s.