We are doomed, no diesel Grand Cherokee, no diesel in others either and a decent V8 petrol is going to be rare as well ......... 2lt twin turbo chook chasers are just rubbish.......... have to look for some old style machines that will do the distance, these new vehicles won't go the distance like a G60, BJ40, FJ55........ plastic doesn't last that long............. a J10, F100 or even a C10, eats fuel like buggery but they are still alive.
Journey Tow Vehicle. Landcruiser 200 vs Ford Ranger 3.2 Vs Landrover Discovery 4 vs Landcruiser 76
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Geez my 3 Jeeps may go up in value! Tow vehicle is a 2010 WH GC diesel 190000klms nil problems towed all its life.2011 WK GC Overlander diesel in NZ for the 4x4 trails and touring.Plus 2015 GCSRT 6.4 hemi 60000 ks which has gone up $15000.00 since late last year,no more to be imported.Off Sat for an old mates hook up at Palm Cove CP Cairns.Test my patience with all the halfwits on the road ,the ones that really erk me are the idiots who do 75-80 ks on the highway then leap into life in the dual passing lanes.
Talking to a guy with a near new Ranger 2 litre bi turbo towing 16 .5 foot J poptop came down the hill from Glen Innes ,so little engine braking it frightened the heck out of him.My 2010 GC diesel has great engine braking towing a similar van .
Hi mate just with the Ranger is it definately 3800kg GVM upgrade if so do you mind me asking where from as im keen?
Usually a GVM doesn't mean you can carry anymore just that you could possibly be legal........
Some states allow GCM upgrade after first registration some don't, most allow GCM upgrade before first rego.... some are still making up their minds , been ongoing for a few years.
A MOD Plate must be fitted or you have wasted your money.
Upgrade of GVM doesn't mean an automatic upgrade of GCM, may mean your tow capacity has dropped.
Some GVM upgrades will actually mean you are over the axle load which isn't a paper figure like all the rest its a real one and axles do not like being over loaded.
Having a vehicle running at max GVM/GCM really means your flogging it and should have bought a better combo.
Rule of thumb 3500t tow cap means 2.8t or an empty tug and work from there........................ Rule of Thumb is a base line to work from not a definitive.
Some states allow GCM upgrade after first registration some don't, most allow GCM upgrade before first rego.... some are still making up their minds , been ongoing for a few years.
A MOD Plate must be fitted or you have wasted your money.
Upgrade of GVM doesn't mean an automatic upgrade of GCM, may mean your tow capacity has dropped.
Some GVM upgrades will actually mean you are over the axle load which isn't a paper figure like all the rest its a real one and axles do not like being over loaded.
Having a vehicle running at max GVM/GCM really means your flogging it and should have bought a better combo.
Rule of thumb 3500t tow cap means 2.8t or an empty tug and work from there........................ Rule of Thumb is a base line to work from not a definitive.
Hi mate disagree with some of your answers i have had mine done here in NSW GVM and GCM on my Ford Ranger and with engineers certificate which i then had to take to RMS. So yes through Lovells both are updated. Dont need a MOD plate as such as its listed on my rego papers so i havent wasted my money.
Hence why I said
Find it strange no blue mod plate fitted to vehicle could be a problem when selling or put over a scale interstate ........ but then its NSW ............. but the selection of vehicles able to get this job done is limited............... Be good if everyone could sing from the same song sheet though.
Find it strange no blue mod plate fitted to vehicle could be a problem when selling or put over a scale interstate ........ but then its NSW ............. but the selection of vehicles able to get this job done is limited............... Be good if everyone could sing from the same song sheet though.
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....... Well I hope the working of a National Covid rule doesn't go on for as long as the Transport Compliance saga has, its been going on since the 1930's I think, a bit like the railways gauge cluster .......The national Truck regs is a hotch potch bit of confusing rubbish....................Latest bit I read of the Federal statement on GVM/GCM's was GVM change is okay but GCM is in the too hard basic so its a state matter...... so depending on the state as to what can happen and when, along with interpretation of said regs.......
Mate who had his 79er chassis extend, axle widened with GVM/GCM upgrade had it done before plated and in 2 states to get the blue plates needed to register, its a cool truck for sure.... think he had the work done in VIC and QLD to get NSW plates..... have to be keen.
Confusing too that my Grand has no GCM so if you go by the old GVM plus Tow Cap I have a GCM of something like 6.5t ........... Engine would do it but hell chew fuel like a Cruiser.
I've got a good idea lets get a toad to eat the cane beatle yea that will work
Nothing's changed
My cruiser is OK on fule @Drover I'm carting around near 6 tonne if not bit more don't care who says what no one's getting great figures hauling that into wind up and down hills all over the place if anyone wants great figures go to a gym or don't tow anything buy a 4 cly Hyundai stay in cabins ......my car and others tow easy with the v8s tourqe that's why we buy them a friend here has a petrol v8 still chews fule but tows very well
Nothing's changed
My cruiser is OK on fule @Drover I'm carting around near 6 tonne if not bit more don't care who says what no one's getting great figures hauling that into wind up and down hills all over the place if anyone wants great figures go to a gym or don't tow anything buy a 4 cly Hyundai stay in cabins ......my car and others tow easy with the v8s tourqe that's why we buy them a friend here has a petrol v8 still chews fule but tows very well
I have a 2015 Grand Cherokee SRT with 500 hp hemi up front.Forgot how a good V8 on song could turn men into boys!10 litres per hundred with a light foot on the freeway,seen near 25 litres per hundred with full throttle up the gears
Last had that feeling when drove out of a Ford dealership in Sydney in a brand new Falcon Phase 3 .!
The fuel injection guy who put new injectors in my 2010 GC diesel at 210000 ks said Toyo diesel Hiluxs and 200 v8s needed new injectors from Around 170000 ks, 200s $1000each plus many needed new or recon hp pumps as well.
he also said many new 200s and Prados were having problems with dusting !,which is dust going through the OE aircleaner!
Had a great run with my Jeep GC diesels ,would I change to petrol for towing,could be on the cards.!
Last had that feeling when drove out of a Ford dealership in Sydney in a brand new Falcon Phase 3 .!
The fuel injection guy who put new injectors in my 2010 GC diesel at 210000 ks said Toyo diesel Hiluxs and 200 v8s needed new injectors from Around 170000 ks, 200s $1000each plus many needed new or recon hp pumps as well.
he also said many new 200s and Prados were having problems with dusting !,which is dust going through the OE aircleaner!
Had a great run with my Jeep GC diesels ,would I change to petrol for towing,could be on the cards.!
They are all having issues it seems, I think a lot is just poor servicing, few mechanics but lots of Technicians...... crawled around a heap of car yards last week, 79's won me along with the base RAM and I was partial to the new Defender as the shopping trolley..... Its not really a Defender more like a Discovery on Steroids.....Cudos to the German Nissan it was rather nice.
The aircleaner dusting problem has been happening even in new Toyos,both 200s and the Prado .This has lead to
engine problems .Toyo state that an aircleaner fix is not on the cards yet.!just stay away from dusty conditions.!I have wiped the inlet of the Jeep Grand Cherokee with a white tissue ,clean as.!
engine problems .Toyo state that an aircleaner fix is not on the cards yet.!just stay away from dusty conditions.!I have wiped the inlet of the Jeep Grand Cherokee with a white tissue ,clean as.!
It would be easy enough to find just lift the lud and do the tissue test, then again lots only know how to fill with fuel.... On one of my old jiggers or maybe bike ?!? I added a bit of window foam seal did a great job and the old cruiser with lots of water crossings ahead an oily thin sheet of foam was added, stopped atomised water soaking the paper element, a camp fire thought that actually worked well.
Jeep has a very good seal, need some pressure to close the lid at first.
Hi everyone.
I thought I would give an update on the tow vehicle situation. I placed an order for a silver 76 last July. Delivery is still unknown. At this stage it could be March/ April or even May. I will receive 2 month notice.
I had a moment of spontaneity last December and came across a GU7 Patrol with only 32,000 kms on clock, had a GVM upgrade, was in excellent condition and well priced. So I bought it. I towed the van to Prom and it went ok. A little sluggish up hills but was fine on flat roads. I was fully loaded. I was 100kg under ATM at 2.9t in van and was the same in car at 2.9t before tow ball weight which ended up being at 300kg. GVM on the Patrol is 3495kg so the numbers work.
What I like about this car.
Number 1 Pro is the space. I have 3 kids who are growing quickly. I had my 13 year old and 8 year old in the 2nd row each with an armrest and 10 year old in the 3rd row. Kids love the set up which is very comfortable for long trips. Up front is also quite roomy.
It has low kms, the seats have had black duck seat covers on them their whole life so it's in mint condition.
It already has GVM upgrade, has a 2in lift, has BF KO2, tow bar bullbar, tinted windows. It even has air conditioning on every row of seats!
I also like that it is a very capable 4wd that we have to also hit the tracks with.
And it's less than half the price of a 76 and is already set up.
And it actually looks pretty good.
What I don't like, it's not a Landcruiser and it does not have that V8.
Also there is a lot of negative talk about the ZD30 engine.
So my initial plan was to buy the GU, see how it goes on the summer trip and the sell it when the 76 arrives. I could probably sell it for the same money considering the 4wd market ATM.
So I have a dilema. In a few months time I will have to decide on 1 of these vehicles.