Journey Weights etc

Xliney

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Hi all. We have Just bought a new journey outback . It has 3 water tanks 2x fresh and 1 grey. Both fresh tanks are forward of the "axle" pivot or centre point and the grey is between the wheels. 2 x 9kg gas bottles on front. Jayco spec on towball weight is 191kg.
I filled both gas bottles and the fresh tanks and the ball weight measures 290 kg ! Which makes us 40kg over our max of 250kg for the towbar and we haven't loaded clothes or food or other items like pegs, floor mat jockey wheel etc. We need to figure out how to reduce ball weight without affecting sway. Ie move 1 tank towards rear of van, place 2 spare wheels on rear bumper etc. (Or get wife to travel in loo ?) This is made by jayco in this form and appears unusable to me with a 250kg towbar and 2500kg tow limit. Using a Prado 2007. Any suggestions ? Top of my list is sell it.
 

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First up you may need to find out what the van actually weighs as it may be too heavy all up anyway, the 2.5t tow limit really means once you load your tug up and hook the van up your van can really only weigh about 2t or thereabouts, the main thing is the GCM, which is the combined weight of van and tug hooked together which in the Prados case depending on engine, gearbox etc it can be from 5.28 to 5.49t look at this listing https://www.expandasdownunder.com/attachments/vehicle-mass-towing-guide-nov16-pdf.61000/

I would experiment with seeing what happens with water tanks empty then filling one,most only travel with one tank full anyway and if using parks then maybe half a tank, grey water tank is never full or shouldn't be anyway....
Moving a tank won't transfer the whole weight only a percentage will move, to check have tank empty and use jerry cans of water and place them in various spots to see how the weight will change.
If the spare is at the front throwing it underneath at the back will help by 20kg maybe (jerrycan test would show) I did it to my 14.44, found underneath better than on back bar...... somewhere in here https://www.expandasdownunder.com/threads/drovers-14-44-3.4502/ has pics and stuff.

if you have an annex stowed in it, remove it as it could save you 30kgs easy.......

Sell the Prado and get something with 3.5t towing......??????? ........................... Keep asking away though don't be discouraged.
 
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Macca_75

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I would empty the water tanks (but leave the gas bottles full - for some reason this is included in your compliance weights) and empty the van of anything else you put in.

Take it over a weigh bridge and weigh it yourself.

If your weights don't match the plate I would take the van back and have that corrected (make sure you get/have a 600kg payload as well (better resale value). This could save you potential headaches down the track.

Back to your issue. I would expect 2 water tanks mid way between the axle and ball to add around ~ 85Kgs (85kgs each, 1/2 the weight supported by axle and 1/2 by ball) to the compliance ball weight.

So what you are finding in terms of weights doesn't seem unreasonable.
 

Xliney

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Thanks for all the great tips. I agree tare is empty gas and water. Tare is 1749. ATM 2224, Gtm is 1992.
confuzzled that weight of gas isn‘t included. don’t we all start travels with 2 full bottles ?

considering selling van as it may not be suitable but worried I may never buy another unless I can see the figures fully laden beforehand. Current thinking is that we can only visit nudist colony because can’t afford the weight of clothes. 8-)
 

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Generally dealers ask what car you are towing with and mark it on the contract, and as mentioned above weigh it completely empty. If your car detail is on the contract and the weights are out that could be enough to pressure the dealer to at least move the tanks around so its compliant on your car
 

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Remember its the actual weight on the scales not what is on a plate that matters...also those tow ball scales need the van to be totally level and even then can be 20kg out.
 

Xliney

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We have booked the van in to have the water tanks repositioned, 2 fresh towards the rear and the grey tank slightly forward.
we have weighed each item we intend to take ( very labourious) and worked out placement of the items to distribute evenly.
This should resolve the issue. Out of interest we were using this formula found at:
https://outbacktravelaustralia.com.au/driving-towing-towing/towball-weight-and-trailer-stability/ and it seems to be pretty good as a desktop exercise.
there are also some good technical docs here:
We will do a weigh to go test after having the tanks repositioned.
Then the discussion will turn to additional solar panel, lithium battery.......
 

Xliney

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Update.... the van is in the repair shop having the tanks and plumbing rearranged. Will have to see how it goes when we can fill the fresh water tanks and conduct another weigh in. Meanwhile I continue to see vans with a lot of mods driving around, love the modified bumpers to carry all manner of things.
 
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