Towing vehicle choice

meandher (a frost)

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Just following a couple of old threads, I see that there appears to be quite a few new members getting into the caravanning scene for the first time and there seems to be quite a few threads relating to advice on what rigs other people use when towing a similar 'van to their brand new purchase. I guess this goes beyond just curiosity and adds to the angst that they are feeling about towing a house on wheels, when compounded with the question of their own ideas of what they think may be the right choice of tug. More often than not it comes down to a liking for a particular vehicle and trying to justify to yourself and at the same time attempting to use that logic to convince a less than enthused spouse that it is most definitely the correct selection and you are not about to squander your hard earned on what seems to her to be an impractical choice of tow vehicle. I know I had the same trepidation being a lifelong lover of the Land Rover Defender, but The Dragon's statement when the issue was somewhat optimistically raised, was something like " over my dead effing body". I got away with the battle over choice of 'van, but lost the war on the purchase of Britain's finest oil puddle maker. I knew she was right, I just didn't want to admit it.

A new 'van is a big purchase and obtaining the wrong tow vehicle because you just didn't know the complete facts, over and above what the salesman wanted to tell you in order to increase his monthly bonus, could be one very serious and costly mistake. A forum such as this site has such a lot to offer by making it a relatively simple exercise to list a few basic facts and figures in a tabulated form that allows members to add in a non- biased way and devoid of any emotion and brand loyalty, some basic decision enhancing and thought provoking evidence based on real time, real world experience. It may be that those with a less stoic and sensible life's partner may still purchase a bloody silly vehicle to do the job, but at least there can be no excuse for getting it totally and inexplicably wrong.

Not sure how to do it, or whether it has already perhaps been done, but some form of spreadsheet that people can add to that includes mileage( both day to day and towing), size of van, towing capacity, reliability issues, cost of add-ons, servicing etc. could just save a fellow forum member a seriously large wad of folding stuff and perhaps avoid a verbal matrimonial punch-up.

This is perhaps something that only a site moderator can do and perhaps will take a little effort to produce, but looking at the ever expanding ( no pun intended) member base, which sits in excess of 2100 right now, is probably a very worthwhile exercise. Don't mind assisting, just don't know where to start.

What do you guys reckon?
 
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Bmhdg76

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@meandher (a frost) that is exactly what i am starting to do myself for our next new purchase.
I have set up a spreadsheet with some of the details you have mentioned.
I don't know how it could be put on here, or if it is what you are meaning, but i am trying to gather as much info so as not to make the same mistake for our next car when our lease runs out. We have been caught by exactly what you said (salesperson wise). Just because the figures on paper says it can do it (legally) doesn't make it a good vehicle (in our case MASSIVE lack of power when towing).

Any help I can offer as well, just let me know.

BJ
 

twscoot

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Agree many posts often have a sense of some justification in them and BJ makes a great point about not being swayed just by what the technical specs say. This is in fact where I think people get into strife or at the very least confusion. Do you really want to tow 2 tonnes of van with a BMW *Try posting a bit more so your post isn't boring* and a super light ball weight...? (I actually don't know the answer but the question is important).

I posted this (post #25) some time ago that I thought was useful given it allows some real life comparisons.
http://www.expandasdownunder.com/threads/new-tow-vehicle-which-one.4750/page-2

I think the spreadsheet along with some more posts from people who have towed with several cars would also be useful.
 

Smergen

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It's a good post @meandher (a frost) ... and a spreadsheet would be great, if it could be put together easily and with purpose. I'd worry however that it might remain relatively subjective and without a large dataset could easily be swayed by a couple of really bad or good experiences. What some people think is expensive others think is "reasonable". What I think is a reasonable amount of work others think is too much hassle... if you catch my drift. Even things such as fuel economy and engine performance are hugely dependant on driver style and driving conditions.

Having said that, would love to support it and will put my data in where relevant to help with it.

We bought our new "old" car a few weeks back with the sole purpose to tow our van purchase. It will be a minor commuter but I we've comprised certain "creature comforts" to ensure that the vehicle is capable to tow our van. It's a short term purchase and we look forward to upgrading to something more comfortable when we do our big trip in a few years. Given that we haven't spent too much on the tug, we see this as a reasonable approach.

But what this approach allows us to do is to monitor and research all the different options out there that are comfortably capable to tow whatever we put behind it.

Like anything however, it's always buyer beware. What I think is useful is a set bunch of questions that we worked through as a checklist to work out what options we had. For us they were:

  1. Budget
  2. Required towing capacity (capacity, tow ball weights, ATM calcs, etc...)
  3. Fuel type (diesel/petrol/gas)
  4. Running costs (ties in heavily with #3)
  5. Other vehicle use (Toorak tractor, school run etc...)
  6. Other vehicle capabilities (number seats, service requirements, etc.)
Once I worked through these questions, I found there weren't actually too many options for us to choose from. So then we could start researching the different vagaries and pro's and con's of each online and elsewhere. I also started a thread on here where I asked for thoughts, opinions and whatever else people wanted to add. It was invaluable. Here it is here...

http://www.expandasdownunder.com/threads/looking-for-a-truck-to-tow-the-new-van-17-56-2-ob.5328/

It's a great idea though and happy to help where I can.
 

BigSkiddy

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I think you can trust the specs from manufacturers, you've just got to take the time to interpret them and compare.

@Bmhdg76 from memory you previously had a Hilux and are disappointed with the Challenger, simply looking at the specs the torque of the Challenger is only 7Nm more than the Hilux yet it is 300kg heavier, so makes sense that your unimpressed with it.

In my experience salesman don't know their products and this is not just car salesman. Whenever I am looking to buy a product I always research it first on the Internet so I then walk in to the shop and just negotiate pricing. It's interesting and slightly frustrating hearing the bs they tell you, when you know the facts.

It took me 12 months to decide on my last vehicle purchase and about 8 months on the caravan.

As @Smergen said there isn't a lot to choose from, you could count on your fingers the options available.

Not shooting down your idea @meandher (a frost) as you said, I wouldn't know where to start.
 
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17triton

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I think the best thing you could do is once you have narrowed your choice hit the dedicated forums eg Lcool for cruisers , new triton.net or newhilux.net or the jeep forum etc and read away.
 
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skippy

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I am also thinking that this idea of a Red Book for towing vehicles for our expanda's is a great idea.

Why don't we start off with our own cars/4x4 and go from there.

Yes there are plenty of forums that are really specific for a brand of 4x4 but if your starting out its good to hear what other people are saying. I have found that some forums are really bias towards a particular manufacturers/model which doesn't really help when you are trying to decide what to buy.