20' Series New van questions

RobRoy

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New van,
Hi all, as I have mentioned earlier we are looking at upgrading our 16.
We are getting a cruiser to pull a 20.
My question to you good people is.
Will the size of the 20 get annoying, semi off road. Wife is looking at free camp options on our big lap.
I’m only planning on gravel and/or good tracks. Hoping to get to the centre at some stage.
All advice is appreciated as I know a lot of you have done similar
 

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Big Mal is 22ft full size semi offroad van and has no dramas other than low branches and tight turns between trees, Colorado and van are nearly 15mts long, Cruiser may be a problem but doubt the van...lol.....I don't do creek beds or washed out gullies.
 
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Our 20 footer has never stopped us getting anywhere we wanted to go. At about 8 metres long (total) we’ve made it on to every site allocated to us in caravan parks. (Only just though in only two instances I can think of in many years of holidaying).
 

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Just read through your earlier posts, you've made some adjustments to your expectations and requirments in a very short period. Intially aiming at a 18ft, and no Cruiser, to a 20ft and a Cruiser ?? When you say 20ft is that an Expanda, and does semi offroad refer to an Outback model ??
 
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RobRoy

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Just read through your earlier posts, you've made some adjustments to your expectations and requirments in a very short period. Intially aiming at a 18ft, and no Cruiser, to a 20ft and a Cruiser ?? When you say 20ft is that an Expanda, and does semi offroad refer to an Outback model ??
Yes, we have moved a little. We didn’t want the expense of a new car. I just got difficult fitting a larger van to the Pajero. We are planning a lap and home schooling two kids.
The 18 was promising however the lack of internal storage was disappointing. We love the space in side Expandas. Once we decided on a new car, the options opened up,
It’s neck and neck between 20 foot Expanda and 20 or 22 foot new age manta Ray.
The Jayco is infront with the slide out lounge. It’s the only time I have felt comfortable sitting in a van. At 6 foot two and over 100kg I hate being squeezed into a small space.
Yes outback
 

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If I was going to be wandering for an extended time I would be going for a 2 yrs old van, bugs should be sorted and still like new as in 2 yrs a lot of vans might be used for a month, things like fridges crossing the aisle and washing machines floods are sorted plus you might get hundreds if dollars of goodies a already added, many fit heaps of bling for a few weeks a year..................a suspension lift does wonders and saves money.
 
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We spent 14mths over 2016 bouncing around Oz with our 2014 single ended 20ft Expanda OB behind the greatest car ever, the mighty Navara V6 D40. We (read the Princess) home schooled our then very schooling reluctant 10 year old. He received a year level Cert of Education Excellence from Dist Ed, and it wasnt terribly onerous on the Princess. The schooling certainly never interfered with our travel plans. We much prefer freecamping, the further away, more remote and the less people the better. Our only firm plan before we left for our trip was to basically forget the van was there, and go everywhere we would go if we didn't have the van. If the van took a beating in the process, so be it. The only places excluded from our list was northern Cape York and the Mitchell Plateau and that was only because I didn't want to find a place to store camping gear for 3 weeks of use.

The van performed admirably, we still have it and still use it a lot. Its still in pretty good condition, we still love it and I have no intentions of changing it until the Crusket hits 18 and we don't need the bunks. We dragged (and still drag) our van to places that many people wouldn't take a tent. From my experience, my travels, and seeing how many other vans performed I would not under rate my van a "semi" off roader by comparison. There isn't to many place we didn't get to. We did have a few non fatal issues, but to put that into context we seen worse issues with other much more expensive so called off road vans.

One night the Crusket cracked the $hits whilst we were all watching TV. After a while, we realised he wasnt around and we both wondered where the hell he'd gone. We called out to him and got no response. I got up and found him at the other end of the van, in his bunk with his headphone on ... you know your van is officially big enough when you loose a child in it.
 

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We spent 14mths over 2016 bouncing around Oz with our 2014 single ended 20ft Expanda OB behind the greatest car ever, the mighty Navara V6 D40. We (read the Princess) home schooled our then very schooling reluctant 10 year old. He received a year level Cert of Education Excellence from Dist Ed, and it wasnt terribly onerous on the Princess. The schooling certainly never interfered with our travel plans. We much prefer freecamping, the further away, more remote and the less people the better. Our only firm plan before we left for our trip was to basically forget the van was there, and go everywhere we would go if we didn't have the van. If the van took a beating in the process, so be it. The only places excluded from our list was northern Cape York and the Mitchell Plateau and that was only because I didn't want to find a place to store camping gear for 3 weeks of use.

The van performed admirably, we still have it and still use it a lot. Its still in pretty good condition, we still love it and I have no intentions of changing it until the Crusket hits 18 and we don't need the bunks. We dragged (and still drag) our van to places that many people wouldn't take a tent. From my experience, my travels, and seeing how many other vans performed I would not under rate my van a "semi" off roader by comparison. There isn't to many place we didn't get to. We did have a few non fatal issues, but to put that into context we seen worse issues with other much more expensive so called off road vans.

One night the Crusket cracked the $hits whilst we were all watching TV. After a while, we realised he wasnt around and we both wondered where the hell he'd gone. We called out to him and got no response. I got up and found him at the other end of the van, in his bunk with his headphone on ... you know your van is officially big enough when you loose a child in it.
That sounds perfect. The 6 weeks east coast over Christmas was a taster for us. This will be fun
 

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I think the magazines rabbitting on about Off Road this and off road that does tend to be a bit over the top, Mrs D's folks did many big laps before it was the vogue , EH's and XC's towing the old millard along roads which nowadays most would be locking in the front diff, they even went to the Cherry Venture in the 2WD EH along with many others, so its not what your driving or towing that will get you there it depends a lot on if you can really drive and how stupid you are, at Rainbow Beach we see a lot of Stupid in boats, vans and driving mobile displays for ARB and the like, pity they didn't buy a brain.......

Yep @RobRoy your trip sounds fantastic wish I could have done it way back with my tribe, though they did get great bush skills as we were off camping in the mountains a lot when they were little, tent days.
 
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I think the magazines rabbitting on about Off Road this and off road that does tend to be a bit over the top
I am on a GRR page on FaceAche, and they are constantly banging on about special tyres, pressures, suspension, my favorite; driving to the conditions (whatever the hell that means). When we towed the Behemoth across the GRR we were past by a Falcon SW, and surprisingly none of the "locals" drive pimped up gallion dollar show pony 4x4s, theyre all floggin about in the their Commodores without a care in the world
 
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Of course I must add that some touring vans the ride height is not suitable for anything other than an expressway, even then a cats eye on the road must be a near hit..............and getting into a garage for fuel must be hard........................sorry wandering again....................
 
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I have 2 friends with pajeros towing 19ft pop tops and I think they are great value for what you get and you could spend some serious coin on accessories compared to a newish landcruiser (unless of course the cruiser comes already set up at a really hot price). My brand new combination of dmax and 19ft starcraft came in under 100k including suspension upgrades, long range tanks, extra solar, generator, etc, etc and the only thing I can't do when compared to a 200 series is go fast...
 
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Funny thing. When I was away I was thinking the same thing as I think you are on about here.
There are so many off road vans out there with a massive tow a vehicle required to tow them anywhere and many of those vans will never leave the bitumen. I have a tourer and would like it to be a little higher, I am guessing a good undersling would help this. I am not against people having the outback version if they are really going to use them. I would really like to do the Oodnadatta track one day but, I have seen tourers on this. Not sure if i am game but one day we might see.
At the end of the day it is each to their own. If I can travel, I am happy. I will take what I can afford and like rather than worry about what others think I need.
 

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I have a 2015 Jayco Journey Outback 16 foot ,single JTech suspension.Quite high,towed by a 2010 Grand Cherokee diesel.Follows the GC so well I forget sometimes its hooked up.Tow at and above 100ks if need be.Run 50psi in tyres ,make sure its balanced well,brakes well adjusted .No problems in average crosswinds.Coming back from Glen Innes down to Grafton Tuesday ,raining ,followed a new Ford Ranger towing a smallish MDC off road van ,it was all over the place.Leaning,swaying,looked and absolute pig of a combination.I am sure he had white knuckles.The number of overweight towing combinations on the road is astounding.Next to me in the CP a van had a sticker on the back warning that you had 50 feet to pass,!tow vehicle was a 2008 Nissan Patrol loaded to the max..
 
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I very much doubt many would travel where negotiating wash out gullies and off track creek crossings, they are not for the faint hearted the biggest problem with tourers , is dragging the bum or digging in the hitch you know beforehand if anything is going to bash the suspension as it will have already done so on your tug.

I do find it a bit ludirous to have a nice off road van with a plough fitted to the back of the tug, sort of defeats the purpose somehow....

Mind I'm not putting down the off road van, some look great and are fitted well even if some do pander to looks more than functionality and soem are just an overpriced tourer with a fancy suspension lift but a tourer with a lift will do most people and save heaps of $$$$.
 
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Would definitely have the off road van, we ha e had to users and off road. We took our expands all the way to the tip mmm of Cape York, including through creek crossings. Out simply, don't do it. It took a little while before we found the ongoing issues. Having said that, any of our touring models over 19ft used to drag even coming back out of fuel stations.

If you want to enjoy your trip allow yourself space I the van, but too long and if may become cumbersome, the 20ft expands is a great compromise of space and tow ability.
 
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I agree @crackacoldie that taking a van over rough roads creates plenty of maintenance and repair issues. I am pretty OCD so tend to pick up issues early but it requires plenty of vigilance and a good working knowledge of how things should look when not broken! On rough roads I also take lots of extra time to stow and pack inside the van - towels around bottles and around glass hob lid, clamps on the shower door, nothing loose etc but still find things to fix each trip. Mind you some of my simple mods are the most effective: a squirt of silicon on every point under the van where a pipe or cable touches a chassis rail, a simple hardboard cutout for the lower fridge vent that is covered in chux cloth to filter dust while allowing air to circulate, low tyre pressures...
 
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